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Отправлено 22 Январь 2013 - 09:38

как артрозник с 3 летним стажем (это по дате обследования)
хондроитин + глюкозамин очень добре помогает кто бы что бы не говорил

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Отправлено 18 Ноябрь 2013 - 15:50

Добрый день. Подскажите когда лучше пить желатин, а то написано 10 гр. в день, а когда - не написано? 



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Отправлено 18 Ноябрь 2013 - 16:32

Добрый день. Подскажите когда лучше пить желатин, а то написано 10 гр. в день, а когда - не написано? 

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В бодибилдинге и пауэрлифтинге для укрепления костей, связок и суставов коллаген в таблетках или желатин рекомендуется принимать в дозе 5-10 г в сутки, за 1 или 2 приема в сухом виде, запивая водой, растворяя в воде или делая желе. Добавка абсолютно безопасна и имеет полностью натуральное происхождение (изготавливается из костей и хряща животных путем длительной варки и последующего разрушения ферментами или кислотами).

 

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"С вечера нужно насыпать в стакан ч. л. сухого желатина, залить 100 мл (0,5 стакана) холодной кипячёной воды и оставить на ночь набухать. Утром в стакан с разбухшим желатином добавить ещё кипячёной, но уже тёплой, воды (в пропорции 1:1), ч. л. мёда, всё тщательно перемешать и выпить натощак за полчаса до завтрака. Курс лечения — 10 дней. Больший эффект достигается от нескольких курсов, перерыв между ними делать тоже 10 дней. Общий период лечения составляет примерно 3 месяца, для него потребуется примерно 150 г сухого желатина."

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"Внимание! Несмотря на то что желатин считается безопасным для здоровья средством, побочные действия у него всё-таки имеются, поэтому лечиться желатином можно не всем. Противопоказан он и кулинарные блюда на его основе людям, страдающим повышенной свёртываемостью крови, тромбофлебитом, тромбозами, желчнокаменной и мочекаменной болезнями, а также при наличии оксалатных камней в почках.

Кроме того, приём желатина может вызвать запор и спровоцировать воспаление геморроидальных узлов.

Для исключения проблем в работе кишечника и улучшения его моторики специалисты рекомендуют одновременно с применением желатина включить в рацион сухофрукты. Полезна такая смесь. Взять по 200 г сушёных чернослива, кураги, инжира и 50 г сухой травы сенны (продаётся в аптеке). Сухофрукты промыть, измельчить (в блендере или мясорубке), смешать с травой сенны и залить литром крутого кипятка. Остывшую массу хранить в холодильнике или морозильнике. Принимать по ч. л. на ночь. Этой дозы вполне достаточно для нормальной работы кишечника в период лечения желатином. Можно также есть желатин одновременно в черным хлебом, но отдельно от основных приёмов пищи.

В профилактических целях желатин достаточно принимать 1—2 раза в неделю или регулярно употреблять кулинарные блюда, в состав которых он входит: холодец, заливное, мармелад, желе, муссы и т.д.

Как было уже сказано выше, желатин — продукт белковый, животного происхождения. Для уточнения остаётся добавить, что иногда за желатин принимают пектин или агар-агар. Но это продукты растительного происхождения."

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"Желатин в производстве продуктов питания относится к пищевым добавкам и обозначается Е441."


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Отправлено 18 Ноябрь 2013 - 17:00

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Отправлено 09 Январь 2014 - 17:24

По мнению экспертов ВОЗ пероральные формы глюкозамина и хондроитина не являются лекарственными препаратами с доказанной эффективностью (биодоступность менее 30%, что в отдельных случаях может помочь в начальных формах заболеваний соединительной ткани или облегчить симптоматику у отедльных групп пациентов - пенсионеров или лиц ведущих малоактивный образ жизни, но у спортсменов - вряд ли).

З.Ы. Отчётов о эффективность инъекционных форм в открытых источниках не нашёл, но убитое плечо залечил инъекциями хондроитина сульфата (где-то на форуме была тема). 



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Отправлено 09 Январь 2014 - 17:37

т.е. жрать их бесполезно или надо много?



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Отправлено 09 Январь 2014 - 17:48

т.е. жрать их бесполезно или надо много?

 

Чаще всего - да, бесполезно. А жрать килограммами никаких денег не хватит, да и вполне можно получить проблемы с ЖКТ, аллергию на субстанцию-порошок.



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Отправлено 09 Январь 2014 - 19:34

а вот субъективно-работает. Как перестаешь принимать,начинаются мелкие проблемы,замечено неоднократно,и не только мною..так что лично мой выбор-принимать на регулярной основе. Ученые всю жизнь сначала доказывают,потом доказывают обратное,потом обратное обратному,так что верить им особо и нельзя))
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Отправлено 09 Январь 2014 - 20:14

Для защиты связок и суставов, кроме комплекса глюкозамин-хондроитина использую еще Super Cissus от USPlabs. Пропиваю как все в  комплексе, так и отдельно. Помогает особенно когда начинают от нагрузок болеть локти и колени.



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Отправлено 09 Январь 2014 - 21:16

а вот субъективно-работает. Как перестаешь принимать,начинаются мелкие проблемы,замечено неоднократно,и не только мною..так что лично мой выбор-принимать на регулярной основе. Ученые всю жизнь сначала доказывают,потом доказывают обратное,потом обратное обратному,так что верить им особо и нельзя))

 

 

...может помочь в начальных формах заболеваний соединительной ткани или облегчить симптоматику у отедльных групп пациентов...



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Отправлено 09 Январь 2014 - 21:49

ключевое слово-может. Да,действительно может,получается. Только тут не о лечении вроде как речь идет,а о профилактике,и еще раз-с этой задачей,судя по опыту многих спортсменов,добавки подобного рода справляются.

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Отправлено 19 Декабрь 2014 - 16:45

Американцы сейчас так говорят: 

Тренируешься с отягощениями - принимаешь глюкозамин с хондроитином.



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Отправлено 19 Декабрь 2014 - 23:24

как артрозник с 3 летним стажем (это по дате обследования)
хондроитин + глюкозамин очень добре помогает кто бы что бы не говорил

Как артрозник с 14-летним стажем (гонартроз, правое колено) дополню. Да, в принципе работает. Очень неплохо именно "сан" и именно с мсм (метилсульфатметан). Но жрал я эту и подобную шляпу довольно долго. Еще хочу отметить такую вещь, что вся эта прикормка работает лучше, когда она разная - может синергизм какой срабатывает, хз. На мой вкус, оптимально если еще присутствует рыбий жир - хотя бы терапевтические дозировки, аскробинка - шариков до 20 в сутки и либо желатин, либо гидролизат коллагена (коллагеновый протеин, он кстати в плане усвояемости и биодоступности поинтереснее желатина будет) - грамм по 10 в сутки. Еще надо учитывать такой момент - если у вас кислотность желудка понижена - то хоть килограммами впихивайте в себя желатин и прочую коллагеновую прикормку - без толку. Либо запивать желатин (коллаген) довольно кислыми соками, либо совмещать его прием с приемом аскорбинки. Еще советуют в этом случае пить побольше отваров шиповника, рябины и пр. источников витамина С. Полезно и хорошо - но я ленив и делаю это крайне редко.



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Отправлено 21 Декабрь 2014 - 03:19

вся эта прикормка работает лучше, когда она разная

 

Это касается практически любых добавок, но с этой группой особенно заметно, полностью согласен!



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Отправлено 23 Декабрь 2014 - 11:24

По поводу коллагена- вещь рабочая,но! На двух подготовках,когда активно принимал его,воспалялись варикозные узлы,сначала никак не связывал это,потом подробнее изучил этот вопрос..и отменил.. Ни до,ни после этих двух подготовок подобных проблем не возникало..хотя хз, может,совпадение))



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Отправлено 23 Декабрь 2014 - 12:40

Вообще хочу заметить один момент. 3-ю неделю колю пептид тв500 по пузырьку раз в неделю. И хоть сейчас у меня и пкт (на прошлом пкт, как только кол-во "витаминов" в организме упало - колено начало еб@ть мозг) - все ок, тьфу-тьфу.

Не знаю, какой механизм действия, тем более, у артроза не травматическая природа, но допускаю, что присед при артрозе травматичен сам по себе и именно эти микротравмы стали целью тв500.


При этом уж с месяца полтора никаких хондроитинов/глюкозаминов не ем. Рыбий жир только.



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